Hypothetical Lawsuits, Fake Blogs, Rare Place Industries and other problems
Hypothetical Lawsuits, Fake Blogs, Rare Place Industries and other problems
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Part One - Hypothetical Lawsuits:
I cannot discuss any legal rationales, arguments, strategies or plans but I can say some things about certain actions which will result should it ever become necessary to file a lawsuit to remedy my ban:
Player Onyx will provide a sworn affidavit as well as appear as a witness in court. She will describe her relationship to me as well as the origin of her player account. She will also describe her direct knowledge of my game play and her reaction to the ban including her offer to pay me for all of my assets if I had been permitted to transfer them to her.
As part of the process of discovery a flurry of subpoenas will be issued to a substantial group of players who were or still are directly or indirectly involved in manufacturing the ban or helping support or sustain the ban in any manner after it was imposed.
Certain other subpoenas will be issued to a wide range of companies, businesses, organizations, ISPs and individual player’s real life employers in order to obtain records relevant to their involvement with the ban.
Part Two - Fake Blogs and other questionable game play:
This will be a major post which will detail nearly thirty of the dubious blogs I tracked over the course of a couple of months.
I provided this information privately to all pertinent game staff including all Game Admin and all members of the BSEC as well as some IMs.
No action was taken by anyone to remedy the problem privately. Because of the lack of any corrective action as well as ongoing abuse of this loophole in the voting rules some of this information eventually made its way into the forums. The problem has still not been properly solved as of the date of this current post, January, 10, 2008.
More to be posted soon.
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Fake Blogs and Rare Place Industries
As promised here are some materials related to the use of potentially ‘FAKE’ blogs to open rare Places industries:
Let’s begin with this piece of tripe from mid December. It was posted in the inner circle’s mutual masturbation thread called “Compliments Only”:
“Re: Compliments Only
on: Today at 02:13:11 pm
Started by immunis - Last post by Sage Enterprises [PC,O3]
I’d like to compliment Miss Melville, who in just about a years’ time cracked the top ten and has stayed there ever since.
Thanks Michelle for contributing thoughtful voting to the Index, for proving that new players can move to the top of the game, and for doing all this with style, grace, and class!
Sage”
How sweet.
SageEnterprises (Elite ! ? ! ), who is herself guilty of various dubious forms of play and who has apparently suggested that others cheat (see Note *1 below) compliments Miss Melville.
I am not implying that Miss Melville cheated.
I am saying Miss Melville found, added, voted and collected unopened rare Place Ideas from all of the blogs listed below.
The list shows the original names of the industries before Sage “morphed” them.
This compliment is interesting because Sage clearly knew that Miss Melville was responsible for adding great number of potentially fake blogs to the game, voting on them and using them to open rare Place industries based only on a claim of (rare) Place in the blogger’s profiles.
Not only did Sage know about the problem with rare “Place” industries and voting, for almost two months prior to her so did almost every member of the BSEC (JimWright, Midoribe, Nexy,) as well as AdamF, MrPilot and IslandDave. In addition, other Game Staff and many players (some of whom have been made Game Staff since my ban) also knew. Not only that, but in related forums threads Sage said she had been aware of the problems for at least the previous nine months, dating back to at least December, 2006.
Yet no action was taken to solve the problem. Instead every effort was made to deny, coverup and erase the facts.
After it became clear that nothing would be done to solve this problem the problem was taken to the Forums.
Sage requested my list and this is a slightly edited version of what I sent her:
“October 11, 2007
Hi Sage,
Here is most of what I have found over the past 2 months. I think I may have missed some that didn’t get pasted into this file and will try to find them.
FYI, AdamF received most of these in early September as did most all BSEC members. No one took any action or communicated further about this matter. .
These all represent possible creations, additions of and votes on possibly false/fake ‘blogs’ with rare ‘location’/'Place’ demographic votes based only on the authority of the rare ‘location’ as stated in the profiles and designed to open and drop Rare or unopened Rare Place votes.
I started to notice this about August 9th or 10th, 2007 as I began looking at a series of new rares that had suddenly been opened. My searches were turning up nothing but new Rares opened within minutes or hours and I got suspicious.
I may be wrong but overall it is my belief that something is fishy here. After my first mentions of these to several game staff some of the ‘fakes’ got a little more flashy or involved and then more like http://mazale-mazale.blogspot.com/ were added after things cooled off a bit. All of these on my list have distinct qualities that call their validity in question.
Also please note: #17 below seems to demonstrate clear fakery in the user join date at blogger vs. the dates of the posts (they predate the user join dates at blogger = impossible):
These are listed in the order I found them unless otherwise noted:
1.) http://mazale-mazale.blogspot.com/
= http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?checkid=11419237 = El Asnam *******
2.) http://arengasejemplares.blogspot.com/
= http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?blog=http%3A%2F%2Farengasejemplares.blogspot.com%2F = Gonder *******
3.) http://fulufhelomashige.blogspot.com/
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?blog=http%3A%2F%2Ffulufhelomashige.blogspot.com%2F = Thohoyandou*******
4.) http://karakutu-karakutu.blogspot.com/
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?blog=http%3A%2F%2Fkarakutu-karakutu.blogspot.com%2F = Siverek *******
5.) http://amroelkh.blogspot.com/
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?checkid=11426567 = Pare Pare*******
6.) http://mightysound.blogspot.com/
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?blog=http%3A%2F%2Fmightysound.blogspot.com%2F = Viran?ehir*******
7.) http://emincip.blogspot.com/
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?blog=http%3A%2F%2Femincip.blogspot.com%2F = K?z?ltepe*******
8.) http://vans-fans.blogspot.com/
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?blog=http%3A%2F%2Fvans-fans.blogspot.com%2F = Brits (SA)*******
9.) http://lispk.blogspot.com/
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?blog=http%3A%2F%2Flispk.blogspot.com%2F = Kasur (Pak)*******
10.) http://bahamabookings.blogspot.com/
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?blog=http%3A%2F%2Fbahamabookings.blogspot.com%2F = Nassau*******
11.) http://abeyna.blogspot.com/
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?blog=http%3A%2F%2Fabeyna.blogspot.com%2F = Kotte ***********
12.) http://tegbdke.blogspot.com/
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?blog=http%3A%2F%2Ftegbdke.blogspot.com%2F = Nazret ********
13.) http://sanjay-kareer.blogspot.com/
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?blog=http%3A%2F%2Fsanjay-kareer.blogspot.com%2F = Sagar********
14.) http://mavuso.blogspot.com/
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?blog=http%3A%2F%2Fmavuso.blogspot.com%2F = Ulundi*******
15.) http://gencpcman.blogspot.com/
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?checkid=11472174 = Sultanbeyli******
16.) http://magasamanagemententerprise.blogspot.com/
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?blog=http%3A%2F%2Fmagasamanagemententerprise.blogspot.com%2F = Moqwase*******
17.) http://coupsdecrayon.blogspot.com/
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?blog=http%3A%2F%2Fcoupsdecrayon.blogspot.com%2F = Wavre*******
NOTE: this one ^^^^^^ seems to have had a lot of extra work put in to make it look more authentic than all of the 1 post blogs I found previously. This was after my first roound of queries to Staff and players.
18.) In fact a second blog was created for the industry. The PROBLEM with it/the ‘blogs’ : Join date to blogger = August 2007 (see profile http://www.blogger.com/profile/01626648130069734209 ) but there are many posts predating August 2007 at both blogs (something that apparently can be done in editing - dates- at blogger/blogspot ).
19.) http://chinajz.spaces.live.com/
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?checkid=9473486 = Yancheng******* NOTE: There is NO justification here for a Yancheng vote. As of 10/11/2007 I am not sure this is still listed. MMelville added, voted and opened the rare with nothing to justify the vote.
The next one (#20) is another 1 post blog and I know for certain that it did not show up in any searches for “location: Mt Ayliff” 20 minutes before it dropped (and, I think it was intentionally blogged as Mt Ayliff to try to throw off searches - but I always search for both terms and Ayliff individually) or “Mount Ayliff”. ***(1.***)
20.) http://20052238.blogspot.com/
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?blog=http%3A%2F%2F20052238.blogspot.com%2F = Mount Ayliff*******
21.) http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?checkid=11360581 = http://pagesofmymind-bizana.blogspot.com/
http://blogshares.com/industries.php?weight=heavy&ind=3282 = Qaukeni (at a later date) and Mount Ayliff (earlier)********
22.) NOTE = SPECIAL CASE = so far it has not been used. This is an example of a ‘blog’ and profile representative of the types I have been watching. I have watched this one every day since it was added on September 26. I found/find ***(2.***) most of these kinds of ‘blogs’ by looking through added blogs in a player’s Sigma transactions:
http://nightscreams-domain.blogspot.com/
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?blog=http%3A%2F%2Fnightscreams-domain.blogspot.com%2F
It has the odd characteristic of being written from a female POV but the Profile says Male. (I say its not quite ready for use but could be any time)
When I put this version of the list together today 10/11/2007 the record of its addition to the index could be found here at 18:10 Game Time on 09/26/2007:
http://blogshares.com/user.php?id=46440&view=transactions&type=chips&page=33&filter=16 and ALL of the blogs on this list were added, voted, dropped and unopened rares ideas were first caught by the same player.
23 - 26 * links available elsewhere) = These are the four ‘blogs’ I had been also watching (as in the example above) that were apparently deleted and then removed from the index a day or so back.
The ones that caused everyone such consternation = Tanjung Balai, North Sumatra, Mtdjuna, Kamarhati and Ngrwetsi (spelling ?)
27 - 28 * links available elsewhere) = These are the two noted previously for Dhule which you said you have links for from the thread I started where I cited them.
As I mentioned - I am missing a few that are lost in other text files. If / when I find them I can send them on, too. I am pretty thorough and pretty organized and this is the best I can offer at this time. I hope you find it helpful.
I hope I am wrong but I am pretty well convinced this is a pattern of gaming the system used in these instances by one particular player to drop unopened and newer raresr: http://blogshares.com/user.php?id=46440 . This player added, voted, opened, dropped and caught all of these.
I am not in favor of seeing them or anyone else punished. I am in favor of stopping this practice ASAP and making the search for Rares Places “Fair” to all who work so hard to do it in an ethical way.
As I am sure you know by now, I also think that the rules regarding Place votes on new and unopened industries may need to be made more strict through an amendment which would not permit them to be opened by a simple claim of “location”.
Anyway, I don’t cheat and I don’t like thinking some ‘cheating’/dubious play has been occurring unchecked.
If this player and/or other players have been using this technique to open unopened industries and new rares then it is likely they have also resorted to the same thing in the past and in other non- or low production industries and IMO, it needs to be stopped.
Thanks for taking time to look into this. Please let me know what you think.
AXA/Charles
PS: As I mentioned, it may be too difficult or impossible to prove who created the ‘fakes’ by means of any real linkage to anyone except by circumstantial evidence but it should be obvious by now that the rule permitting a Place vote on 1 post blogs in New, Unopened and Rare Places may need to be changed. It seems too easy to game the system using this technique and in most cases that may not matter but when dealing with unopened rares I think it does matter. Some of these are really suspect - Ferrari (http://mazale-mazale.blogspot.com/) being one - some less so - but I also looked at user join dates etc. Most all of these seem fishy to me - especially since I know I am looking/searching for the remaining Rares Places every day (and so are other players).
***(1.***) Note: Often when I found and added a blog with content for an unopened Place and had opened it soon thereafter I would see another ‘blog’ added and voted. Sometimes it was in the same industry I just opened or sometimes a different industry. The main point is, these would almost invariably be likely *fake* ‘blogs’ of the questionable kind with only ‘claims’ of ‘location’ in their Profiles. It also was quite odd since those blogs did not have the ‘location’ info until soon before they were used because they had not shown up in my searches until after they were used and ideas dropped.
***(2.***) Note: I have found some by looking for blogs created with certain time frames. The 4 I watched, added and voted (that made honey4evr so angry) were found this way instead of in a player’s Sigma transactions. As soon as I saw the rare location info added to the profiles I was able to vote and drop. That apparently made someone mad enough to delete the four blogs in question before they could drop a second time.”
I am getting close to finding out who may be responsible for actually making the ‘Fakes’.
Thanks again, AXA/Charles
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Oddly enough, Sage did not really fully address or solve the problem. She did “morph” certain of these industries to other new industries. This only had the effect of covering up some of the evidence I had discovered.
In fact, I was still working on this and related issues and getting close to proving who may have made some of the fake blogs when I was banned. That put an end to my investigations. That, too, is interesting.
Meanwhile, after my ban was imposed some of these ‘morphed’ industries came to light when it became apparent that the voting was now incorrect for the new industries. Blogs (’Fakes”) were revoted and ‘purged’, further destroying more evidence of any wrongdoing and making it even more difficult for anyone else to continue any investigation.
This was posted after these voting problems were coming to light:
11.30.2007 MM confesses to bad votes = check all these for FAKES = 1st one is obvious fake:
“post by M Melville:
So since I know I voted on a lot of formerly rares, I went ahead and looked to see if anything needed to be fixed.
I *think* I caught all of mine. Not sure about other people’s votes or indeed if this is comprehensive.
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?checkid=11389109
As Perri pointed out, not Covington
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?checkid=11360629
should not be Ajaccio
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?checkid=11360594
not Fremont, NE
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?checkid=11360580
not Salvaterra de Magos
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?checkid=11472174
not Meat
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?checkid=11360596
not Reus
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?checkid=7546693
not Latur City
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?checkid=11360589
still not Latur City
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?checkid=11419237
not Gorizia
http://blogshares.com/blogs.php?checkid=11428371
not mine, but also not Gorizia
http://karakutu-karakutu.blogspot.com/
not Crown Dependencies”
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It may also be interesting to see who benefitted most from the mass and illegal sell off of ALL my Ideas assets. Certainly Miss Melville got her share of my work.
I want ALL my Ideas assets returned to my account. I will do whatever I need to do in order to make that happen or to be compensated in a manner that will remedy the harm done to me by means of the ban and the mass sell off of my assets by those who had no right to touch my assets.
Something very fishy was going on. Definitely. When I wasn’t legally opening new rares or collecting ideas I was looking into the rare “Place” / Fake Blogs problem.
I was not involved in any attacks on other players. I was too busy with this stuff and most players can tell you that I stayed out of aggressive play on other players.
I think that in part I may have been banned because I was getting too close to the truth about these Fakes. In part because it angered some close to the truth and in part because some players find me unlikeable. NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE AGAINST THE RULES.
I did not cheat, I did not break rules. There is no evidence against me.
I am innocent and want my ban lifted and ALL my assets returned. Immediately.
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(Note *1)I am banned without charges, without a BSEC hearing, without evidence and without opportunity to defend myself.
Yet this is what another player has to say about the newest Elite player, former Game Administrator and pivotal Game Staff member and co-conspirator in my ban Sage (SageEnterprises):
Former player, Rantz writes on his blog to/about Sage: “notice SageEnterprises - I still remember the day you asked BB (note: BB = Berlin Bear, another former player) and I to share passwords so we could use each other’s logins when our own artefacts were spent. Do you?”
http://rantz.phreacs.com.au/blogshares/2007/12/cheatypants.html
If this is true and even if it were the only example of possible cheating and/or unethical, dubious and questionable behavior by Sage it alone is a good reason why she should not have been given Elite status.
There are many more examples of Sage’s questionable actions which can be cited in great detail if and when necessary.
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Posted on November 27th, 2007 by AXA and filed under Blogshares, Ideas, Online Games |
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